6th Hour: Hiker's Guide, $1057; Lighter, 700; Matchbox, 800; 5 lb. bag of rice, 500; 10 lb. bag of rice, 1195; Sweet Boots, 800; .22 gauge rifle, 1310; Red Ryder BB Gun, 55...
7th Hour: Hiker's Guide, $500; Lighter, 400; Matchbox, 600; 5 lb. bag of rice, 900; 10 lb. bag of rice, 1510; Sweet Boots, 570; .22 gauge rifle, 1500; Red Ryder BB Gun, 100; Small Game Trap, 700; 20x20 Tarp, 1130...
PROMPT: Take a look at what people spent. Did they spend wisely? Why or why not? Which item of the 50 do you think is the most important and why? Do you believe that a group of 16-18-year olds can survive a trip of this magnitude with only a few items of this list? Why or why not?
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I think that both classes made a mistake by spending more money on the match boxes then on the lighter, but that being said I still think they were wise purchases because fire is almost a neccecsity for someone to live in the wilderness. In my opinion the people who bought the red rider bb guns made a poor decision because they are essentially useless in the wild except to play with. The most important item on the list is tought to say because in order for most of these to be effective it needs to be used with a second item on the list, but if you can only choose one I would have to take the hikers guide because it can help you survive off the land. I think Certain 16-18 year olds could survive, but not everyone. They would need to be willing to work together and share things with their group in order to make it work
ReplyDeleteI agree with you Garret, the Hikers Guide is one of the most important items to have!!!
DeleteThe only thing I'm going to have to disagree with is the BB gun. The Red Ryder BB gun is .177 caliber, and shoots metal/ steal BBS. They are able to, and have, kill small animals. Plus you have unlimited ammo for it. So I can shoot at as many small animals as I want, or miss as many times as I want. Even if it doesn't kill them they'll be wounded and it will be easy to finish the job. And the metal barrel can be used to create sparks with a rock.
DeleteNever thought of it that way Ty.
DeleteNice idea with the sparks, Ty.
DeleteI have to agree with garret on the spending way to much money on some of this stuff. I also agree with him on the hikers guide too. I never thought of BB gun in that way ty. Nice idea
DeleteI agree that the hikers guide is very key to surviving and was worth any amount of money paid for it. Ty holy cow you opened my eyes with that comment about the BB gun. i would no doubt trust you in the wild and think that you could make it
DeleteYes I think they spent it wisely because many of the things that were bought would make a drastic difference on this trip. I think the most important item on the list would be the Hikers Guide because not only does it map out where everything is, but it provides you with information to survive off your surroundings. I don't believe 16-18 year olds would be able to survive because of the little experience and knowledge they have about how to survive on their own. If they had to search for their own food I don't think it would come easy for them and they would probably get sick.
ReplyDeleteCompletely agree- a trip of this magnitude simply isn't feasible to be accomplished by novice 16 and 17 year olds like us.
DeleteI think they didn't spend money wisely because the rifle is not going to help you if you don't know how to use it. I think the lighter and the matches are the most important item because you can use it to make a fire so you don't freeze to death, and to cook your food, to make signals for someone to rescue you and most important to purify water. A group of 16-18-year olds can survive if they are willing to cooperate and work together.
ReplyDeleteI disagree on the gun choice, but I agree that the matches (lighter) are very important for survival.
DeleteI agree, The rifle would be almost useless if you do not have prior knowlege on how to use it and a fire source is definitly something that will come in handy when trying to survive in the wilderness
DeletePurifying water? I hadn't thought about that. Nice call, Gerardo.
DeleteI agree that the matches and lighter are most important but I think the hikers guiide is just as important. If need be you can always use the pages from the hikers guide to start a fire.
DeleteI think that 6th hour over payed for some of the items. I think that the hikers guide would be the most important thing to have. A hikers guide would tell you what to do.It would tell you where to find food and how to cook it. You would get a lot of helpful information from a hikers guide.I feel like a group of 16-18 year olds would be able to survive only if they worked hard and were smart about it.
ReplyDeleteKendall I agree with you...6th hour paid a lot for dumb things
DeleteI also agree with you. If the 16-18 year olds were definately smart about what they're doing, they'll be able to survive pretty easily.
DeleteYes everyone overpaid for all of these items but that is because it was an auction situation if you actually had to buy all of these necessities at an auction obviously the prices are going to be unbelievably inflated. In addition, I believe people paid more for the matches than the lighter because the matches came second and people realized they needed a fire source so they were willing to spend more on it.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Rachel on the part about the prices being inflated but the items still being necessecary to buy at a high price.
DeleteI agree with Rachel. We can't really judge people for paying a high price for some items mainly because this is an auction. Some items are more important to some people than others. Because of this, they might have ended up paying more than they wanted to bargain for.
DeleteI think many of us overpaid for useless items. I know my group who paid $570 for some sweet boots sure did. I think one of the most important items would be one of the guns, with that you can hunt food very easily and it's a use of protection. In my honest opinion I don't think any 16-18 year old could survive, most of use live completely off our parents who do a lot for us and living completely on your own like in this book just wouldn't be possible.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Kelly I don't think we would survive very long either.
DeleteI also agree with Kelly that any one of the guns would be the most helpful items on the list.
DeleteI feel that people did go a bit crazy for items that they really didn't need. One example of this would be the .22 rifle for 7th period. $1500 is a lot for a rifle in general, and it's only a .22. One item i think is really important are a source of creating fire. Even though for our class we spent $800 for matches, i feel it was definately worth it. Another item which i think would be very useful would be the canteen. The reason why i point this out is because you don't know when and where you are going to find water to last you for however long so this is when the canteen comes in. I believe that with team work, no matter how cheesy that sounds, 16-18 year olds will be able to survive in the wild. Besides, if all else goes wrong, you still have some extra protein if you're willing to go down that risk. Hopefully though, they'll be able to survive without that option.
ReplyDeleteI agree, even though it sounds cheesy it's true. Team work would help them survive longer.
DeleteI agree that people did go a bit crazy for the items, but the items were important to have so I think that it is justified. Although, I do disagree on 16-18 year olds surviving. I think they can't survive for a long time.
DeleteI think that buying a gun is important. You need some way to hunt. Like someone said before, you can use the barrel and a rock or flint to make
Deletei agree with kamil, you need some sort of protection and somthing for hunting. its important to have a gun in order to kill for your dinner. you can then be a gatherer and a hunter. best of both worlds.
DeleteI think on certain items the money was well spent like on the Hikers guide. I think that is the most important thing to get. It can tell you how to do things that you would typically use the other items for without using them if you don't have them. I believe that 16-18 year olds can survive if they work together and help each other out. It wouldn't be easy but it could be done.
ReplyDeleteI agree that certain items had a fair price on themselves because of the importance they carry to the people on that trip.
Deletei agree with the hikers guide being one of the most important things in need of survival. and i also agree that if we work together we could live through the experience.
DeleteI think that the money was wisely spent for the most part because the things bought by the money help with guidance, protection, light, and food. The things that I just listed are all very important to have when you go into the wild, but the most important thing to have is the hiker's guide. If you keep a hiker's guide with you then you'll be much safer in terms of food, light, protection, and guidance because the guide can tell how to obtain these things. If a group of 16-18 year olds go on a trip with only a few things on the list, I don't think they would survive because most of them don't have enough knowledge or experiences to survive with only a few things in the list during a trip.
ReplyDeleteI agree that a hikers guide is most important and although our class went to the thousands for it, it would be very helpful out in the wild.
DeleteI believe the money was not spent wisely on the hikers guide, bb gun and also the small game trap, this is because if you know your preparing to venture into the wilderness a book wont do any good if you have never actually experienced these things, and you probably wont last long anyway with little knowledge of survival. The bb gun is a waste of weight and money because it wont be able to kill anything bigger then a small bird or squirrel and only that if your close enough. And the last bad choice that I believe was mad buy some groups was to purchase the small game trap, this is because those traps usually don't work to well in an area where no person has been and the animals wont take chances to get food that way(unless they are desperate for it), also very reliable traps can be built from string or rope that has been un-weaved. The most important item to me is the knife since it has a vast range of use and comes in helpful in most survivals situations. I believe that most teenagers could survive the trip if they had they correct tools and knowledge to help them along the way, also I believe the will to survive and know there's an end is a key factor in survival.
ReplyDeleteI agree that the knife is the most important item as well. It can come in handy at so many times.
DeleteYes, but can you use the knife to hunt? The knife is great for cutting things in hand, but what about food?
DeleteThere were definitly a lot of items that were overpaid for. An example of this is how both hours dramatically overpaid for the sweet boots and the .22 gauge rifle. The reason for this was because we were auctioning. I think there isn't a most important item because most of the items go together and others would not suffice for the whole the journey. I believe that people our age could make the journey if they didn't make any irrational decisions and worked together.
ReplyDeletei agree with the rifle being bought for too much money
DeleteI feel like people spent pretty close to the right amount of money on the supplies. The only thing that I think wasn't a smart idea, is how much people spent on the rice. The only reason why I say that is because you need boiling water to cook the rice. The $500 for the hikers guide was a steal, because I believe it is one of the most important things to have, not only can it help you with food but also with tips on how to do things. Yes to the final question. I believe it would be extremely fun to do a trip like this. You're in a group, so gathering things and being able to survive would be a lot easier.
ReplyDeleteI think the money that people spent of these items was pretty wisely spent because these were essential things you need to survive in the wild. I think the most important item to have would be the hikers guide because it teaches you everything you need to survive in the wild. Yes I think a group of kids our age would be able to survive because if we all work together we can get a lot done. And with everyone's ideas in play I think surviving wouldn't be that big of an issue.
ReplyDeleteI think for certain items people spent too much money on them. However, each item has its significance and it may help people in different ways and that's why people decided to spend a lot of money on it. I think the boots are one of the most important items on this list. If someone has to walk on foot from Chicago to Seattle, they're eventually going to run into mountains, so they need to be prepared for that part of the trip. I think from the list of items we were given, a group of kids our age wouldn't really be able to survive for a long time. There are a few items on there that require past experience with that item, and not too many of us are familiar with using guns or doing everything that's mentioned in the hiker's guide. Hopefully the team work can get people to survive.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Ema with the boots being important and how each item can be significant. Didn't really think about the mountains that we would come across.
DeleteWould the boots then have added value? Would mountains be that difficult?
DeleteI don't think so because the guy on dual survival goes everywhere without shoes or boots. The boots are very nice to have but I think they aren't a true necessity. Just any outdoor shoes would do fine. You don't exactly need "sweet boots."
DeleteI believe that people have spent their money wisely, but there are a few eye-openers when seeing how much everything sold for. For example, the sweet boots in each hour sold for more than the lighters did. This is surprising because the lighters are more essential to survival than the sweet boots because of the versatility it has, such as being able to provide warmth and to cook food. The lighters and matchboxes were very wise purchases, especially for how cheap they were sold for. The most important item on the list is the knife because of the many tasks that can be accomplished with it such as skinning an animal and even being able to start a fire. I think only a select few of 16-18 year olds would be able to survive this trip. We would need good survival skills, which many of us would need to acquire.
ReplyDeleteLooking at the list, I agree that a lot of useless things like the BB gun was overpaid for. In an auction environment, your strategy can be altered because you never know who is going after what you want and to what extent they'll bid the object for. The hiker's guide would be the most useful to me because I'm not a nature person so I wouldn't know what to rely on or what resources I could use in the wilderness environment.In my opinion, almost all 16-18 year olds won't survive in the wilderness because I don't think many of us realize all the discomforts we would come across while surviving in the wilderness.
ReplyDeleteI agree that a lot of us won't survive but if we stay together as a group,help each other and make sure that everyone is safe I think that ''many'' might turn into a ''few''.
DeleteI think some people spent wisely like when buying food and guns. But i believe some people did not like when buying a tarp. I think a lighter or food is more important than a tarp. I believe the most important item is the hikers guide because that's what will keep you safe unlike most things that will just run out. I don't think any of us would survive for very long. Most 16 year olds are very dependent on most things in their life and wouldn't make it very long.
ReplyDeleteThe fact that they spent $1057 for the matchbox leads me to the opinion that the 6th hour at the begining did not manage wisely their amount of money, but this does not mean that they can not fix it. Another issue is that the sweet boots were sold more than the Hiker's Guide which is not that smart because if you get lost the sweet boots might keep you warm but not guide you were to go and make the right choice of picking the best destination and not ending up in a place that you no longer are safe. I don't think that some of us would survive out there but if you have a good team and everyone cares about others for sure there is a good chance of survival.
ReplyDeleteI think that alot of the groups overpaid for items that arent very important necessities. For example, the tarp; i think that was way overpaid and not really a necessity like matches or some rope would be. If i had to pick i think that the hikers guide would be the smartest buy because it can tell you what to eat while in the wilderness, or how to build rafts, forts and more instead of being just clueless out in the wilderness. I dont think that any of us 16-18 year olds would last very long on this kind of expedition because we arent experienced enough and depend on so many other things in our lives that we just take for granted.
ReplyDeleteThere were defenitely items that were way to overpaid. i feel that a gun should not have been 1500$ same with a tarp that went for 1130$. The gun and tarp are both two things i feel you would need to have to have in the wild to survive. But looking at the list hikers guides, lighters and matches should've been at the same amount of money as the gun or tarp. I say this because if you have a gun how will you start a fire? In my opinion i feel that you could find a place to stay that is covered. Personally i feel that a group of 16-18 year olds could survive ONlY if we work together with ALL of these supplies
ReplyDeleteI disagree with that the gun was bought for to much. The gun next to the hikers guide is probably one of the most important things you would need on a journey of this caliber. And I could start a fire with some flint and rocks, it's not that difficult.
DeleteI think the rifles a good buy, gaurentee there comes a time you're gonna need to kill something.
ReplyDeleteI think the 7th hour class got very into overbidding the other person that they ended up spending too much money. I think any one of the guns would be helpful because if a bear is coming after you, you can't light it on fire if you had bought matches. I defenetly don't think a group of 16-18 year olds could make it on their own on a journey like this. We depend too much on other people to tell us how to live that we wouldn't know what to do when it came down to it.
ReplyDeleteI don't think many people spent wisely in 6th period because for the hiker's guide, you could just research things before you take the trip and the 10 lb bag of rice isn't really worth 1000.The tarp is the most important item because that's really the only way you can be waterproof when it rains. I also think a group of teens can survive as long as they know what they're doing and are willing to work together.
ReplyDeleteI think a lot of people over bid on stuff that wasn't worth it. In 7th hour it was okay at the beginning and then everyone started to over bid. Some of the stuff is very useful and is worth a lot but not all of it. I think it would be very hard for 16-18 year olds to live in the wilderness because it is completely opposite of what most of us are use to. It may be easier for some people if they had more experience it would be a lot easier than for others. I do think it's possible if people worked together and used stuff wisely.
ReplyDeleteWho ever bought the hikers guide won the day becuase that will do more and teach you more than any ohter item on the list, no price can be put for it cause it could mean life or death.I would say most people ages 16-18, excluding gagnon, would not make it because we simply dont have the survival skills or the knowledge about the wilderness.. we would only make it as long as our bodies would last.
ReplyDeleteI think our just the fact that we had to compete with others for items that could potentially save us in the wild made us spend more than necessary. I think the most important would have to be the hikers guide. It can provide information on what to eat and how to build shelter. As 16-18 yr olds, I would say that we would struggle to live in the wilderness. We live in a very civilized society and I think it would be very uncomfortable to adjust to a new way of living.
ReplyDeleteDo you think that if you are not in a big city or town that you are in fact uncivilized? Can't you live quite civilly in the wilderness? Is it the same?
DeleteI think that people spent too much on the BB gun. It's basically pointless because you can't even hunt with it. The bb's are too small to kill anything. The most important would be the hikers guide. Nobody knows the terrain or plants of the place so going in there without it would be hard. It gives you information you otherwise wouldn't know. I think they would be able to survive if they are willing to help each other out and work together.
ReplyDeletePeople don't exactly spend wisely but during an auction people just throw out numbers. I don't think the tarp or gun was over paid for. I do believe that someone who is 16-18 can survive in the wilderness as long as they have the toughness to ride it out and realize they control there destiny.
ReplyDelete6th period spent way too much money, but the things they bid on were necesities so I think it was okay. I think the shoes were over paid for because yes they may become usefor but there are other things worth spending their money on.
ReplyDeletei agree that 6th hour spent too much money. the price for the lighter during 7th period was more than double for what 6th hour paid for.
Deletei think that 6th period spent too much money only on certain items. It was reasonable to spend over $1000 on the hickers guide, because i feel that it is the most important and useful item. For 7th period spending $1130 on a tarp is unreasonable.
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ReplyDeleteI think that both classes spent way to much money on alot of the things. The one that i think is most important to have is the hikers guide. Spending alot of money on the first couple things will give the groups less of a chance to spend alot of money on more expensive things. I think it depends on the person for being able to survive. Some 16-18 year olds could handle it but then again i think alot of 16-18 year olds would not be able to handle it at all.
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ReplyDeleteThere was a huge thrill in bidding for most people. The price didn't matter, because it got very unreasonably high at times. The essential items were things like the knife and hikers guide, but most other things were unnecessary.
It is possible to live in the wilderness, you just have to want to do it, and enjoy it. You will learn it's ways if you are truly interested.
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ReplyDeleteWe didn't end up with anything on the first day of bidding. But we did use a good technique of trying to bid higher and higher so that we could get the items that we wanted later for a much cheaper price.
ReplyDeleteI feel like both classes started spending way too much money in the beginning of the auction, even though the items weren't that important as the ones that were to come.Even though my group still wanted some of the items that were auctioned today, we were willing to give them up for more important items that were coming up later on. I felt like the approach that my group took was very wise. Of all the items that were available to us, I thought that the sniper was the most important. The reason for this is because, it would make it so much easier to catch food by hunting. At first I was going to say fire, but fire can be made by sparks by rocks or by wood rubbing together.
I do think that a group of teenagers could survive this trip depending on the tiems that they had. As long as they had items to help them survive different situations like danger, weather, or hunger than they can most definitely overcome with little difficulty.
i agree with Jenny that the sniper was very important, but i wouldn't go as far as to say it's the most important, for a sniper cannot start a fire, provide warmth, or do much more than provide food (that is if you've got a good shot).
DeleteI think my group spent pretty wisely. We didn't buy anything the first day, but ended up with 5 items the next day. We never came close to going over our limit and we bought pretty useful supplies. I don't think that I would be able to survive out on my own, especially at this age. Even if a person had most of these supplies, it would be hard to carry and probably wouldn't last you for more than a few months. I think that the most important item on the list was probably some kind of gun or knife because you would definitely need protection if you were out living in the wild. I think that 7th hour spent there money much wiser. If you compare the price that the lighter went for, 6th hour payed over $1000 and 7th hour only paid about $500. The bidding was fun and it made me think of the supplies I would actually use if I were to ever go live in the wild on my own.
ReplyDeleteOn the first day, i don't recall my group having bought anything. I think some of the items were way too overspent on- and that the increment of bid amounts were to erratic where it would be $500 and spike randomly to $700. Nothing as simple as a bic brand lighter should cost near $700. If there were any item that I had to choose, it would be the leatherman's tool. Since there's no specifics as to what's included, then who's to say it doesn't have flint and steel in it that would be used to start a fire with which could be used to cook food, provide warmth, and provide light? I believe a group of 16-to-18 year olds could survive together if worst came to worst, unless if it were a non-life-threatening situation. In a life threatening situation, i think instinct would set in at some point, and everyone would assume responsibilities for a certain aspect of maintaining a level of comfort. In a non-life-threatening situation, i would guess that someone would be bound to get lazy and slack off, upsetting everyone else in the group and causing a sticky situation.
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